Danny Cavanaugh <dcav1001@msn.com>
NC - Sunday, March 31, 2002, 9:47 PM
Pamela Barnham <legs3uk@yahoo.co.uk>
Ellesmere Port, Britain - Sunday, March 31, 2002, 9:30 AM
What on Earth (or any other planet for that matter) were you thinking when you edited the Sam and Teal’c scene from Meridian? Perhaps instead of scenes of Jonass Quinn grinning his way through the episode and being a lying craven scumbag (never going to stop bitching about that so get used to it, guys) perhaps you should have ditched the miserable, two-faced, fork-tongued, plastic-faced, low-life coward And write scripts for Daniel to get Michael Shanks back. And ditch Jonass. Um...I think that’s all for now. Cheryl - Ankh <maat@ankh.freeserve.co.uk> So how about a save Janet’s torch page? Only Jokin’ - Daniel we luv ya - TPTB get him back asap
AABattery Dreamwatch lays out her ambitions for season six: Writing, directing, getting a boyfriend who doesn’t die, having Michael Shanks back and visiting a matriarchal planet... I hope Amanda gets the joy of all of these things! november <november@btopenworld.com> Stephen Harrison <stejharrison@netscape.net> Yes, they succeeded in writing Daniel in ’The Curse’, but the effort of writing a multi-layered, complex character evidently exhausted them, since they’ve barely attempted it since. And even in this, they portrayed Jack as a jerk. Oh, not deliberately, that’s the pity of it. Just an
unsophisticated, redneck, attempt at humor. They write bubblegum, because they think bubblegum. It’s
not even a choice they have: to dumb down or not to dumb down. They really can’t do much better, because the vital
spark -- that bit of soul -- is missing. Their sights are set so embarrassingly low, one blushes for them. And the show runner is running too hard. Much too hard.
What is Mr Wright running from, I wonder? It must be
difficult for him to acknowledge that however much he dislikes the original creators of Stargate, he lacks their ability to create a character as widely appealing, as unique as Daniel. Is he playing Salieri to their
Mozart? Stargate SG-1. R.I.P. Ellen "Wow. We scare the snot out of you [Brad Wright], don’t we?" As well we should. It’s *not* smart to piss off women. One Bitch who is pissed as all hell I wonder. . .when Michael Shanks was out because of his appendicitis was there a secret meeting to start writing Daniel Jackson out of the show and disowning him from his team mates? I am glad Fox Mulder is on the job. It is a conspiracy! A person who wonders. . . A. S. IF 1. Why did you chose to drastically change the show that had such a successful, working format for three years?
2. Did you personally know the character, Daniel Jackson, was this popular and just chose to not let Michael Shanks think he had any fans? Or were you always planning to write out the character/write off certain fans after three years?
3. From what I understand the character Jonas is an exact copy of Daniel, so why is it you can write for the new guy, but not the guy that started it all?
4. Why did MGM hire a publicity company to handle the fans devastated over the departure of Michael Shanks? Are the fans simply being dismissed once again or was it actually a surprise to MGM that Michael Shanks actually had fans? In which case, I wonder why MGM thought that.
5. Are you currently on the internet under orders from MGM to encourage fandom flaming and debate to distract concerns from the current crisis at hand?
6. Are you purposely trying to confuse and single out a part of fandom?
7. Did you realize that before season 4 there were fans that would actually worship the ground you and Jonathon Glassner stood on, they bought all Stargate SG-1 merchandise, watched each episode multiple times, memorized every episode title, memorized every line/every word/every facial expression in every episode, spent countless hours writing fan fiction based on the characters they adored so much, spent countless hours creating Stargate SG-1 dedicated websites, setup the TV/VCR with an empty tape ready to record a full hour before a new episode started, and attended every convention? Why do you favor certain fandom groups over others, when there isn’t a handbook on how to be a “true fan”?
Agent Fox Mulder, F.B.I. I can’t imagine how TPTB, knowing how popular the Daniel character is, could just blithely go on thier way without trying to convince him to stay. And I don’t mean BW-- as I understand it, he did talk with MS--I mean MGM, the Big Guns who seem to have no clue what a lucrative franchise they’re throwing away. Perhaps they should sit down and talk to Paramount? I won’t watch season six, except for the Daniel episode, I won’t watch the movie unless Daniel is more than a whisp of wind, and I refuse to watch the spin-off series. I won’t buy any toys, books or other merchandise put out to try and support a movie. There’s a reason you’re not doing well in the financial stakes, MGM. Get a clue. DeWayne G. <Leftyn@impulse.net> So please, for crying out loud - BRING HIM BACK! If Michael Shanks didn’t want to leave and his fellow cast members didn’t want him to leave and the fans didn’t want him to leave and BW didn’t want him to leave - then why the hell DID he leave? All of this heartbreak could have been avoided and ALL Stargate fans could be looking forward to Season Six. But instead we have half the fandom upset, angry,alienated and tuning out. And I can’t for the life of me understand why it had to be this way.
Nell <miniaturesun@hotmail.com> Leslie A. P. L Rosenthal So warum gibt es eine Internet Seite `savedanieljackson.com´?
Jetzt habe ich die vierte Staffel gesehen und war sehr darüber enttäuscht. Ich kann nicht beschreiben was mich an dieser Staffel so störte, ich hatte ständig das Gefühl, etwas verpasst zu haben, irgendeine Folge die ich nicht gesehen hatte. Über manche Episoden war ich wirklich erstaunt, teilweise weil die Charaktere plötzlich übermäßig aggressive zueinander waren und andere Folgen waren einfach nur langweilig. Bis dahin hatte ich keine Ahnung, über die Veränderungen von Staffel drei zu vier gab, dass es neue Drehbuch Autoren, welche mit denen ersten drei Staffeln nicht zu tun hatten gab. Aber all dies war nicht so wichtig wie die Information das Michael Shanks die Serie Stargate am Ende der fünften Staffel verlässt. Ich war ehrlich schockiert und machte mich daran das Internet nach Info’s zu durchsuchen. Ich dachte, dass eine Newsgroup und ein paar Foren der richtige Platz für Informationen wäre. Aber alles was ich erfuhr war, wie manche Leute in einer sehr unfreundlichen Weise auf einander reagierten.
Manche behaupteten das Fans von Michael Shanks die, die seinen Abschied von der Show nicht akzeptierten eine Minderheit wären, eben nur Michael Shanks oder Daniel Fans. Egal welche Meinung vertreten wurde, sprach man sich für MS oder Daniel aus, dann war dies nur ein Daniel Fan und dieser hatte keine Recht, Dinge zu sagen, wie: ’Daniel kann die Show nicht verlassen weil er ein wichtiger Teil von Stargate ist’. Keine Frage, was alle sagen die Show muss weitergehen. Die Produzenten und Autoren tun das richtige die Show zu ändern.
Ich konnte es nicht mehr ertragen noch mehr darüber zu lesen und gab meine Suche auf. Mit dem Gedanken das es wohl keine fünfte und sechste Staffel für mich geben wird. Die einzig gute Sache die herauskam ist, dass ich jetzt weiß, dass Daniel Jackson von dem Schauspieler Michael Shanks porträtiert wird.
Seitdem ich diese Seite gefunden habe, las ich alles was es zu lesen gibt und viele haben das ausgedrückt was ich nur fühlte und erahnte. Ich kann nicht sagen wie wütend ich bin über den Kurs den die Serie nimmt und sicherlich noch nehmen wird. Das Interview mit Mr. Mallozi, dass ich gerade gelesen habe, zeigte mir wieder das er keine Ahnung davon hat was Stargate war und wie es sein sollte. Alles was er ausdrückte ist, das für ihn Stargate erst mit der vierten Staffel beginnt. Es gab diese eine Frage: Q.: „Fühlen Sie jemals, dass Ihnen die Ideen für Story ’s ausgehen, alt
oder neu?“
A.: „Nein. In Wirklichkeit, umso mehr Zeit vergeht und Hintergrund Story
von SG-1 erweitert werden, umso leichter kommen die Ideen.“ Aber wenn die Hintergrund Story ’s so viel mehr sind, warum dann das Konzept der Show so drastisch ändern, dass viele Fans die sechste Staffel nicht anschauen werden. Ich denke, dass Mr. Mallozi, Hintergrundstory ´s meinte die er selbst in Staffel vier und fünf kreierte. Ich las über Meridan und downloadete mir diese Folge aus dem Internet und ich habe, den neuen Charakter Jonas Quinn gesehen. Alles was Sie über diesen Charakter sagen, ändert nichts an meiner Meinung, dass es eine schlechte Entscheidung war, Ihn als Ersatz für Daniel Jackson in die Serie zu bringen. Aber wer bin ich schon? Wie kann ich einen Mann kritisieren der so großartige Ideen hat und noch so viel zu ändern in Stargate. Leider gibt es noch zu viele Fans die sich an die erste bis dritte Staffel erinnern. Zu Schade das er nicht von Vorn anfangen kann, dann hätten wir alle die Einsicht wie die Show sein sollte. Aber nur ´wahre Fans´ könne sein Talent sehen und das Gute das für die Show getan wurde. Es scheint so das ich kein ´wahrer´ Fan bin und werde daher die sechste Staffel nicht sehen. Vielleicht die fünfte Staffel weil die Synchronisation viel vom Original nehmen kann und es ist dann nicht so schlimm, als wenn man sich das Original anschaut. I have for weeks now watched what happened with the series which I liked so much. First I thought, why such a uproar? It’s only a TV Show and all three Seasons were good and all is okay. So why is there a website savedanieljackson.com ? Now I have seen Season four and I was disappointed. I couldn’t describe what it was over this season but it always let me think I have missed
something: that there were Parts which I haven’t seen yet. Partly I was astonished about episodes where the actors suddenly were overly aggressive to one another. And others were only boring for me. I had no Idea that there were changes from season three to four, new Writers who haven’t had anything to do with the first three seasons. But all this is not
so important now as this information that Michael Shanks left Stargate on End of Season 5. I was truly shocked and I searched for more Information on the Net. There were Forums and a Newsgroup where I thought I could learn more over this but all I could see was how people reacted in a truly unfriendly way to each other. There were People who said that all the Fans who can’t accept that Michael Shanks has left the show were only a minority, they were only Michael Shanks or Daniel Fans. Equally what was said, if it was for MS or Daniel, then it was only a Daniel Fan who had no right to say such
things. Daniel cannot leave the Show while he is an important part of
Stargate. It’s no Matter what some fans say: that the show must go on and the Producers and Writers from Stargate are doing the right thing with changing the Show. I couldn’t read any more of this and gave up my search for Information with the thought that there will not be a Season five or six for me. The Only good thing is that I know now that Daniel Jackson is portrayed by the actor Michael Shanks. I have now found this Site and have read all there was here and many People have expressed what were only feelings for me. I can’t express how angry I am about the course the Series took and will take in the future. I just read the interview with Mr. Mallozi, who me showed again that he has no Idea what Stargate was and should be. All what he said was that for him Stargate begins with Season four. There was this question Q.: "Do you ever feel like you’re running out of ideas for the stories, new or old?
A.: "No. In fact, as time goes on and the SG-1 backstory becomes richer, ideas come easier" But when the backstories are so much richer, why then change the concept of the show so drastically that many Fans will not watch season six? I think, Mr. Mallozi meant the Backstoy which he himself created in season four and continued in season five. I read about Meridian and then downloaded the episode from the Internet. I have seen this new character Jonas Quinn
and all you say over this character is not changing my Mind that it was a bad decision to bring this Person in as substitute for Daniel Jackson in this Series. But who I am to criticize a Man who had such great Ideas
and so much to change in Stargate? There are still too many Fans who can remember Season One to Three. Too bad he can not begin from the Beginning, then we had all his great Insight of how this show had to be. But only ’True Fans’ can see his Talent and the good what was done with the
show. It seems I am not such a Fan and will therefore not see Season six. Maybe Season 5 while the syndication can much take from original and is all
not so bad when
you have seen the Original. Ines <seni3@web.de> So there you have it - a matter of personal choice and MS made it! Dizzy, you are absolutely right, MS did make a personal choice and the only one he felt he COULD make for himself considering the circumstances he was under. I too have *spread my wings to see what I am capable of* when an employment situation became too unbearable to stay with. Also like Michael’s situation many of them could have been so easily changed by higher ups and I would have gladly stayed. Now as to what we could do that is more *useful* with our energy...well I don’t normally talk about this stuff cause to me is a personal matter, but today alone, I put up my pledge sheet at work to raise money for the Multiple Sclerosis walk I participate in every year to help find a cure for this illness that has ravaged the lives of several of my friends. I also brought in a bag of nonperishable foods to contribue to the *Harvest For Hunger* campaign my workplace is holding to help feed the needy in my large hometown. For the first 10 to 12 years of my life, before my dad got a really good job, we were often times one of those needy familys never sure where he next meal would come from. Fighting hunger is one of my big issues. Last week I wrote a donation check to a local homeless shelter cause the idea of people freezing to death in bad weather concerns me greatly. These are all weighty and important issue and I do what I can to help them. Sometimes it can really get to you along with the everyday stress of life. So come friday night at 10pm sharp on Showtime, I used to kick back with some chips and dip and a soft drink to watch a wonderful show called Stargate:SG1 with characters that took me places in their lives and gave me a brief chance to imagine I could travel to other worlds and have exciting adventures with intriguing and amazing people like Jack, Daniel, Sam and Teal’c. So now I am here cause I cared about that show and it’s characters..especially Daniel Jackson. I am here because I want to be. So please, I know you really meant no harm and I hope you come back and share more thought with us, just understand that what we do in our personal life is what we chose and don’t make the mistake of thinking there is nothing else but this. We all have lives and families and other things we look out for..this just happens to be one of them too:) GateAngel GateAngel I am so royally ticked at MGM right now. I plan to boycot anything by MGM after Meridian. I never liked that stick’en lion anyway! Mahoney As he is no longer working on Stargate SG1, he is naturally seeking employment elsewhere hence the ’spreading his wings’ quote. If TPTB were to ask him to return, the decision would be made by him. If he were to say yes, I would be delighted. If however he were to refuse, I would be disappointed but would understand given the way he was treated. Alison P Carol K So there you have it - a matter of personal choice and MS made it! Hey folks - here’s an idea! Lets direct our energies into something a little more useful eh? There’s a world out there needing people with energy to make it more like the kind of world Daniel would want. (I am a Daniel and MS fan by the way!) dizzy <Private> According to Shanks nobody said a dickiebird to him about coming back. While Wright was making promises about Daniel coming back to fans and zines he didn’t think to ask Shanks, and didn’t until at least 5 months later. Good thing for Wright Shanks agreed to do his Jack Gets Tortured episode, huh? Shanks just saved him from looking like a lying tit. Tibs <private> "A lot of criticism has been leveled against the character and, although many of the fans doing the criticizing claim they’re reacting to "the character", I think a lot of it stems from resentment over Daniel’s departure. They argue Jonas is a) a coward, b) a traitor, c) a thief, and d) a liar. Well, for starters, no he didn’t grab Daniel’s gun, blow out the window, jump in and sacrifice himself in Meridian but I would hardly call "not sacrificing yourself" a cowardly act. Daniel performed an incredibly courageous act, but Jonas’s reaction was very human given the circumstances. He froze. He didn’t have the benefit of the many years of experience in life or death situations that Daniel possessed. I wonder how many of Jonas’s critics would have reacted differently if they were in his shoes? Secondly – a traitor? He left the life he knew because he was disillusioned with his superiors, realizing he could do more good for his newfound friends AND his home world, by joining the SGC. Sound familiar? Yes, technically, Jonas is a traitor, just like Teal’c, the //shol’va.//. Jonas is a traitor to an oppressive government in the same way Teal’c is a traitor to the oppressive goa’uld. Thirdly, Jonas is considered a thief (for taking some of the naquadria through the gate with him and delivering it to the SGC). Yes, he delivered the naquadria to the SGC – with the understanding that whatever advancements resulted would be shared with his home nation. He also ensured that the naquadria would be used for a better cause – the defense technology that may one day save Earth from a Goa’uld attack. Fourthly – yes, he participated in the cover-up because, sizing up the situation, he believed that the success of the Naquadria Project and the millions of lives it could save outweighed the consequences of his actions. However, it was after talking to O’Neill that he reconsidered his actions and went to the government – where he realized his mistake.
Bottom line: A coward? No. A traitor, a thief, and a liar – technically, yes – but he was motivated by concern for his people and the belief that he was doing the right thing. Compare this with Teal’c who slaughtered countless innocents while in Apophis’ service. The critics have no problem dismissing Teal’c’s past transgressions but are unwilling to give Jonas a chance even though his offenses pale in comparison. Sounds like a bit of double-standard to me."
Excuse me? Did this man ever watch the movie? Daniel--a geeky scholarly Daniel--stepped in front of a Goa’uld staff weapon and died for Jack! Without a thought for himself, he tried to save lives anyway. To me this is the definition of true heroism. And later Daniel turned a staff weapon on Ra because he had to try and save Jack and the other soldiers. Soldiers who weren’t particularly nice to him. He did something heroic, without having he benefit of years’ experience. Daniel did it because he was Daniel and because he cares, period. Maybe Jonas isn’t a hero, maybe he didn’t care enough about his own people, but is he even someone that extraordinary circumstances will bring out the best in him? Not from what I saw. How can you trust him to care about what happens to your back if he doesn’t even care about his own planet? Is there something for us to admire in Jonas? I can’t see it. And the SGC and Jack and SG-1 are his newfound friends? Whose life did he save? Did he risk his life for SG-1? Did he battle a common enemy? Did give up a home and a family to fight for what he believes in? How dare Joe Mallozzi compare Jonas to Teal’c! Do you think Jonas even knows the meaning on honor? And this man (character) is going to be in all of season 6 and the film? I’d hoped they would get rid of him long before the 6th season was half over. I for one have never "dismissed Teal’c’s transgressions." Teal’c has sacrificed a lot to try and atone for what he has done. He has never tried to cover it up, or downplay his role with Apophis; he is spending his time trying to make up for what he has done. On the other hand Jonas feels the best way to serve and change his "oppressive government" is to steal from it and run away. And because he is "disillusioned" he lies, to his government, about the theft, and commits lies of omission when he knew Daniel wasn’t guilty. I think the only way I’m ever going to like this guy is if he dies saving many lives, and not by accident, but by a truly unselfish action like, hmmm, maybe like Teal’c’s unselfish action in helping save all the people he’d been ordered to kill, or--let me think--maybe like saving a planet full of people he doesn’t even know, for no gain to himself, sacrificing himself to the greater good. Gee, Joe, you wrote "Scorched Earth." All this time I thought you were writing Daniel as a hero, willing to sacrifice his life to try and save two different races, one he knew next to nothing about, but I guess you were just writing him as stupid because any normal guy would have just stood there and watched even if he knew what action he should try and take. Huh.
Stephen <stephen_spring@hotmail.com> Although you have stated that you wanted Michael Shanks to stay and that you understood his frustration, I am having a hard time actually understanding why you didn’t make any kind of effort to keep him/the character and the fans that adore him as part of this team. If these problems where coming from higher up, then yes you probably wouldn’t have much say in the matter. However, I just thought it was a producer’s job to make sure the politics behind the show doesn’t interfere with the show itself? Do actors fill out applications? In the future can you add at the bottom "there will be no discrimination of an actor on the basis that the actor/character becomes too popular".? EPT J_MALLOZZI"
I’ll thank Brad Wright the day he fixes what he broke, not one day sooner. Get over yourself, man. Buy a clue. Look over the rainbow. Get your head out of --- well, you know. People are pissed because they have reasons to be. You guys gave them lots of reasons. Do you think however many thousands of people just sat down one day and said let’s make Mallozzi and Wright’s lives miserable for the hell of it? They have reasons you won’t address directly and don’t bother to find out. And don’t seem to care. You toss off MS, toss off us, toss off arrogant answers to legitimate questions in other places besides where the people are who are asking them, toss off generic copies of plots on what was once a great show, cut the heart and the guts right out of the characters and you think we’re just having a bad hair day? Goodnight---
Stranger Anna Anna Hampton <vanyel@vol.com> --Brad Wright, Lycos Chat, February 28, 2002 "On a somewhat related note - certain fans are congratulating themselves on the wonderful job they did securing the reappearance of Daniel Jackson in an upcoming season six episode. Although I appreciate their enthusiasm, I have to point out that Brad Wright informed fans last year that he planned to bring the character back for an appearance or two. Brad Wright wrote the script and brought the character back. He was good to his word. That said, I’m certain those same fans will soon be sending off Brad’s much-deserved thank-you cards a.s.a.p." --Gateworld Forum, Edited 3/26/2002 1:16:03 AM ET by J_MALLOZZI Wow. We scare the snot out of you, don’t we? Ball-breaking Feminist Bitch This new character, bringing new life, and this fresh perspective in Season six, Jonas
Quinn played by Corin Nemec, is supposed to be an
exact copy of Michael Shanks’s Daniel Jackson.
Apparently,characters who are diplomats/archeologists/anthropologists/linguists like
Daniel Jackson--who happened to have very strong
moral beliefs and happened to be very
emotional because they have been orphaned--apparently just fall off of trees in Vancouver. Apparently, Jonas has a photographic memory, just like Daniel Jackson, and will be reading all of his journals/continuing his work, just like he was a Daniel-clone. It is just insulting the way
TPTB/MGM have tried to slide this "handsome hunk", as
they call him, into Michael Shanks’s spot and think fans won’t notice the difference. Stacey McCormick Here’s a question. Why hasn’t Amanda Tapping been allowed to direct an episode? She asked at the beginning of season 3 but, y’know, I don’t recall seeing her name listed as a director. Why? It’s not like she didn’t ask in good time. It’s been what? Nearly three years? Other shows do it. Michael Shanks did in season 4 on a huge episode that would have made experienced directors run screaming for the hills, let alone a newbie. He did it and he did a superb job. So back to Amanda. She’s a nice lady, isn’t she? Hard working, intelligent, gives 100% even when the scripts are, shall we say, less than stellar. So...that episode she wants to direct. Is it likely to appear before the show is over? She knows the show, she’ll have done her research (she always does), she’s not some airhead. Is it because she’s...a woman? I do hope not PTB. Ousting MS because he’s not content to be the wallpaper you were trying to turn him into and you want to play with your *new* toys is bad enough; saying no to a very reasonable request because of gender would really *stink*. So can you give me one good reason why she hasn’t directed? And none of that, "It’s how the episodes fell and we couldn’t schedule it" crap. It’s been three seasons since she asked and this is her last chance to direct on the show. If she doesn’t get to direct? Well, I’ll just assume it was sexism after all. It’ll just be one more thing to hold against you...*guys*. Cheryl (Ankh) Cheryl <maat@ankh.freeserve.co.uk> Millie Ellie <elwood_p_dowd@eudoramail.com> The death toll and MIA so far: Kawalsky (Goa’ulded and then dead)
Feretti (supposedly alive, but never seen)
Skaara (supposedly alive, but hasn’t been seen in 2 years)
Sha’re/Sha’uri (Goa’ulded, raped, then dead)
Kasuf (supposedly alive, but not seen in over a year)
Daniel (alive or a figment of Jack’s imagination?) Only Jack from the original movie remains. From the 1st season of Stargate SG-1: The Tollan (wiped out)
Narim (presumed dead)
The Nox (haven’t been seen in 2 years)
Apophis (apparently eaten by technobugs with no resolution to the animosity between himself and Daniel or himself and Teal’c... like maybe one of THEM could have at least killed him?)
Thor (in a coma and it isn’t looking good, is it?) (But we still have those wonderful "heroes" around to keep us "happy": Maybourne and Kinsey!) From the 2nd season of Stargate SG-1 The Tok’ra (all but wiped out)
Martouf (dead)
Lantash (dead)
Jacob Carter (alive...for now) But, never fear, campers! We have the new, improved Stargate with its shiny new recurring characters to keep us happy and make us forget about the richly populated mythology we used to have! We have Cadet Haley! Elliott! Jonass Quinn! Maybourne! (What a hero! Sigh!) Marty the funny alien! (all aliens are funny, of course! That’s why we don’t need those serious aliens like the Tollan and the Nox and the Tok’ra screwing things up! They are all so serious, dude. Where’s the fun in that?) Osiris the wallpaper chewing Goa’uld! (Much better than that stodgy old Apophis!) Anubis in a cloak! (ooooooh, I’m scared) I say again: Jack O’Neill better be watching his back for that knife that’s heading right for it...
The Grim Reaper Kel98 mel At the first sign of trouble, Ra ordered the children to surround him. Quickly, they formed a human shield around their leader. By the time O’Neil whirled around to fire, his weapon was pointed at a curtain of terrified children, but he couldn’t bring himself to do it. He turned instead to fire at the second Horus, who was just swinging his weapon into position. Daniel, horrified, saw that this second Horus had the jump on O’Neil. He stepped into the no-man’s-land bewteen the combatants and screamed in the soldier’s language not to do it. Too late, the second Horus figure discharged his weapon, and the shot ripped into Daniel’s gut, killing him immediately... (But what do Devlin and Emmerich know, anyway? They only created the characters...) Devlin & Emmerich... where are you? General Hammond: "You didn’t like Daniel Jackson, did you?" Jack O’Neill: "Daniel was a scientist; he sneezed a lot. Basically, he was a geek, sir. Samuels: "So, you didn’t have a lot of time for him." Jack O’Neill: "I didn’t say *that*. He also saved my life and found the way home for my men and me. A little thing like that kinda makes a person grow on you." (Guess my copy of "Children of the Gods" must be the "director’s cut" because Jack seems to remember Daniel saving his life on Abydos when Stargate SG-1 begins... hmmmm....) Stargate Fan But then, voicing our displeasure is all you’ve left us... There comes a time when standing on principle is all that remains. Our principle, mine at least, in this case is that you, as a member of the staff of an ongoing production chose to take sides among the fans. There is an old saying, you are known by the company you keep. And you, sir, are known. Mr. Wright supports you. To me that is gross injustice. You, and apparently Mr. Wright, choose to continue to believe this is all about one actor, one character, and petty concerns. It is not. It never has been. It is about unfairness - yours (the general yours)to an entire segment of fans and to Mr. Shanks who must have done something very bad for things to have reached the point he was so unhappy as to want to leave (I do not buy the party line in this, sorry, my cynicism is showing again), and replacing him with what some are euphemistically, but no doubt accurately, calling Carbon Mimic. All the attributes of Daniel, without all the grief of having to deal with the quirks of someone who knew the character inside out and maybe spoke out more than he should have for some peoples’ comfort. I’ve no doubt Mr. Nemec is a fine young man, but Jonas Quinn is not Daniel Jackson and no amount of super powers will make him so. The ultimate point being, Mr. Mallozzi, you took a side in a war you knew nothing about (sound familiar?). You chose to disregard the complainers apparently without knowing or caring to find if their concerns were valid. You chose not to associate with those who perhaps questioned you. And you chose to ignore repeated attempts to balance the scales so no group felt displaced. You chose to dismiss us, and should not now be surprised when we (the general we) chose not to believe you. You, and Mr. Wright, had a myriad of opportunities to redeem yourselves in our eyes...all it would take is one post saying ’we hear you’ and not dozens saying ’we don’t and we don’t want to’. But, please, continue to believe this is all about one actor. Continue to trivialize people to the point they turn on you. Continue to destroy the one thing we (fans and showmakers) still hold in common. And we will continue as well. We are not your chosen ones, we’re just fans. And as fans we will remain until the breaking point is reached because, as the disaffected demographic (yes, we learned a new word)this is old ground. Ground we are familiar with and have walked many times. We will go away precisely when we choose to, when the time comes that there is no longer a point to be made. That time is not now. I’d say it’s an American thing, but the people here are from all corners of the globe. Maybe it’s simply a human thing...to not accept things as they appear on the surface, to not accept the truth of the day without proof, to not accept dismissal without a word of protest. Whatever it is...it’s here, and it isn’t going away because you want it to. Judy
Judy A, Mason <jay_em5@yahoo.com> > And to the poster who brought up Stargate (the movie): I don’t recall DJ diving in front of a staff blast meant for Jack and sacrificing himself. I recall Jack jumping into action and exchanging fire with the Jaffa - and I recall Daniel standing up, arms outstretched, attempting to defuse the situation and getting blasted in the process. I don’t recall any diving or any life-saving heroics on his part. Then again, in all fairness, I wasn’t watching the director’s cut.< Then I’d suggest you watch again. He stepped between Jack, admittedly attempting to stop the violence, and directly into the path of a charged weapon which would undoubtedly, have killed Jack. Perhaps not broad heroics in your book, but the couragious act of a common man attempting to keep *anyone* from getting hurt. Ra surrounded himself with the children as a human shield, Jack hesitated, Daniel stepped in. Maybe it wasn’t a heroic leap of the sort you prefer, but on so many levels gave insight into the kind of man Daniel was. Try reading the book. The men who created these characters give very good insights into their motivations there. Ordinary people doing extraordinary things is not a new concept. Ordinary people with courage of conviction and commitment to the right thing are the ideal many strive for. Daniel, movie and series, was all of those and more. An addendum: I’ve personally had enough of your insults, Mr. Mallozzi. You do not relate to the fans here because you have been given your view of them by others. One can’t help but wonder if that is not how you gained your view of these characters? You have, at times, written them all brilliantly -- especially in the beginning. You *can* do it. One has to wonder, what changed for you? Regards and nary a death threat,
Jet Jet Taylor MJFoster <mjfoster_53@hotmail.com> PR PR <phillieredd@yahoo.co.uk> Jonas is like a cuckoo fledging deposited where he doesn’t belong and where he should never have been laid if proper care had been taken to safeguard the nest. The writers did not write for Daniel and his actor left and now we are left with this cuckoo who does nothing but eat all the worms, take up all the space in the nest and gives nothing. I do not WANT this cuckoo the writers have given us. Jonas will always be the person who would blame Daniel for HIS mistakes if it were not for Jack and he will ALWAYS symbolize for me what is wrong with the show now, a symbol of PTB failure to do their job properly and to listen to their fans and their actors. I want my Daniel back where he should be and where he WOULD be if the writers had done their job and written for these stargate characters instead of constantly inventing their own. bibi (2000 interview) Joseph Mallozzi Not only that, but TPTB are completely missing the point. We want JACKandDANIELandSAMandTEAL’C back together as the caring-for-each-other TEAM they were during seasons one through three. And preferably a Sam who’s not the stereotypical brain-fart cartoon ideal of what a Military Woman should be. The way she’s been the last two years is more of an insult to women than anything else. Even I, as a male, find it offensive. JACKandDANIELandSAMandTEAL’C The only acceptable team. Steve Steve Norris <Stevienor@yahoo.com> gatewalker <gatewalker@techie.com> Jess <jessicakl@twotrees.freeserve.co.uk> Isn’t it interesting that with one of the two characters from the movie gone completely and another one only around part-time the writers on this show would *still* rather concentrate on some unethical new character no one likes than bother to write about Teal’c? Perhaps Christopher Judge is being as outspoken about the poor quality of the writing as Michael Shanks was before they maneuvered him out of the show. Does anyone want to take bets now that Teal’c doesn’t survive to the end of the movie? (But I’m sure Jonas Quinn will sail through unscathed to make it in the spin-off show.) KaTy <kelma_tokim@yahoo.com> Either Chris Judge is a much better actor than Corin Nemec or the writers who went to so much trouble to establish Teal’c’s ’goodness’ from the outset fell down on the job of doing so with Jonas Quinn, because it simply isn’t there in "Meridian". Either way, the opportunity wasn’t taken to make Jonas a sympathetic figure; probably because trying to introduce a new character, especially one with so much unsympathetic baggage, at the same time they were bumping off a much-loved movie-established character was a ridiculous thing to do in the first place. If they hadn’t insisted on shoving his ’replacement’ into Daniel’s last episode, they might have made a better job of both bidding farewell to Daniel and introducing Quinn. As it is, they blew it. Quinn’s first impression was disastrous and they can’t undo it. If they now feel that Quinn didn’t get a fair hearing from fans because he happened to first appear when people were more focused on saying goodbye to Daniel than checking out the possible underlying causes of Quinn’s on the surface utterly weasel-like and self-serving behaviour I would have to say ’Well d’uh!’ Where did they *think* people’s attention was likely to be focused in an episode where Daniel Jackson is dying a slow, agonizing death? You know I don’t remember checking out Janet’s hair style in that one or what colour socks Sam was wearing either. I wonder why not. Introducing Jonas in "Meridian" was dumb. Making him such a bland and unsympathetic character was dumber. It should also have been obvious for weeks beforehand that it was an idiotic thing to do. As with the "D&C" debacle – don’t come running to us complaining because something that a five year old could have told you was a really silly idea turned out to be…a really silly idea. Unless Joseph Mallozzi is planning on running from door to door across several continents handing out pamphlets explaining exactly *why* Quinn isn’t the person he appeared to be on screen then people are going to make up their own minds based on what they saw on the screen in his first appearance. And what I saw on the screen in his first appearance was Jonas fail to take any action when people were going to die if nothing was done and then cravenly lie about what had happened even though this meant the man who had saved his life, and that of the people on his planet, would be blamed for a crime he hadn’t committed. He only changed his mind when bullied by a threatening Jack and then handed over a valuable and dangerous element to people with whom he was only very sketchily acquainted. Now, if what the writers were actually trying to show was that he was brave, resourceful, compassionate and intelligent I don’t think they can have been trying very hard. After all, they had that to re-establish in the series about Jack and Daniel and managed it perfectly, and had to start Sam and Teal’c off from scratch and never left us in any doubt about their virtues. So, either the writers didn’t want to make Jonas sympathetic - in which case perhaps they should stop whining about having succeeded in their objectives; or they screwed up, in which case they should perhaps stop blaming the fans for being able to tell the difference between a brave self-sacrificing character in an impossible position (Teal’c) and a guy who doesn’t have the moral backbone to do the right thing until backed into a corner (Quinn). If Quinn really *was* supposed to be a sympathetic character in "Meridian" then all I can say is that along with all the other things this show has lost over the last couple of years, it seems the writers have also lost the knack of creating new characters who have the ability to engage our sympathy and interest. The acid test is that if Jonas was a naturally likeable character the writers wouldn’t have to be running all over the Internet *telling* us to like him, because we already would. No one ever needed to *tell* us to like Teal’c after all, we just did, and do, incidentally, so insulting him to try to somehow promote Quinn isn’t exactly the smartest PR move I’ve ever encountered. It is however, entirely par for the course from these producers - whose talent for swallowing their own feet unfortunately appears to have long since outstripped their talent for creating characters their audience gives a stuff about. Lori Grey <lorigrey@aol.com> Moreover I do feel that he is actively hostile towards Daniel fans and lacking any respect for people not sharing his attitude. Why is he alienating the very people who want to be their customers? They are delivering a service and would have no jobs if not for the fanbase. I think he is acting very hostile and immature. Also he implies that all DJ fans are emotionally unstable, and just should get over it. Although I´m sorry if he received any flames and cannot condone that at all, in my opinion his response was a flaming of the very people at the SDJ site who actually treat the topic maturely and respectfully towards TPTB, the actors, and the characters. That said I apologize for ranting but reading Mr. Mallozzi is a very good way to raise one´s bloodpressure. D Müller //A big thank you to all of those who participated in the Q&A by either asking questions, posting your thoughts on the subjects we touched upon, or simply taking the time out to read them. It’s terrific to see such an enormous response from all of the SG-1 fans, in addition to the Michael Shanks fans. Although I don’t frequent the
more "enthusiastic" sites (my mom won’t let me for fear it may damage my self-esteem),< Maybe your mom should ban you from your pc and internet access while she’s about it since every time you post you piss off more people. > some friends have passed along the more colorful
feedback. Apparently, this latest Q&A proved more acceptable to them than the last since, to the best of my knowledge, the posts were devoid of death threats this time around.< Now who’s been sending death threats? Anyone here? Nah, didn’t think so. > Taking this as a positive
sign (they’re finally warming up to me), and in the spirit of glasnost (which I understand is making a comeback along with the rubiks cube and Flock of Seagulls),< That’s *so* last millennium. >I’d like to seize this opportunity to respond to some of their concerns. >1.Some have taken issue with my defense of Jonas. They feel it is ridiculous to draw comparisons to Teal’c. I disagree. In many respects, they are very similar men: both branded traitors, they both made difficult decisions for what they felt was the common good of their people (Teal’c by leaving the service of Apophis and trying to rally his fellow Jaffa, and Jonas by first trying to save the
naquadria project,< By blackening the good name of a good man that gave his life to save Jonass’planet. Let’s not forget that. > then returning to Earth with a sample the Tau’ri
could use to protect themselves and Kelowna).< Or so the aliens (Tau’ri) said... Let’s all think about what Earth did with Naqahdah shall we? Goa’uld Busters anyone? Weapon of mass destruction in Chain Reaction? NID guys steal technology from the Tollan and Asgard. Both races get pissy and rightly so. Stealing from other friendly races is Bad. SoG, though a set up, still showed the repercussions if Earth accepted stolen technology. Accepting it makes Earth an accessory to that theft or is it OK when the race involved is technologically inferior? I’m just asking the questions Daniel would if he was still around - which he isn’t because the writers of the show gave his actor and the character diddley squat to do other than be shoved in to fit their story ideas about uninteresting Other Characters. > In other respects, they are very different: Yes. Teal’c is instinctively a brave man who will sacrifice himself for the greater good. Anyone seen Deadman Switch? Nice scene with Teal’c offering himself instead of the Tok’ra. > ie. Jonas never wiped out an entire village to
save himself (although, to be honest, season six is still very young). Jonass wasn’t a warrior serving under a Goa’uld and who knows what Jonass has done? Though of course I guess you’ll just write it so Jonass is brave and never done a bad thing in his life. Interesting the way Teal’c is trashed to make Jonass look good. We know a lot about Teal’c because of five years of getting to know him. I wanted to get to know Teal’c from the moment we were introduced to him. Only part of Jonass I want to see his back as he walks through the wormhole back to Planet Mary Sue. First he can say sorry to Daniel. I want that apology though it would be too late and I’m unlikely to get it. This is getting away from The Point. The Point being that when there was a crisis situation Jonass’ instinct was to cower. No amount of ’But Teal’c did this and that...’ can change that. Maybourne is the guy who wanted to experiment on Teal’c and ordered airmen to open fire on Daniel and the
Tollan in Enigma. Since then he’s helped Jack. That doesn’t make Maybourne a good person to have on the team. A man whose instinct is to duck, not to provide support, is *not* what SG1 needs and a man who would lie and let another take the blame because that other man is going to conveniently die a painful death within days, if not hours, is not made of the moral fibre one expects of a hero. SG1 are heroes. SG1 needs heroes. SG1 *deserves* heroes. > As to the issue of whether you can classify Jonas’s inaction in Meridian as "cowardly" - I hold he froze. Yes, he could have jumped Daniel, wrestled the gun out of his hand, and blown out the window himself (personally, I don’t think he would have succeeded against the delightfully adept DJ), but as I stated in the Q&A, he doesn’t have the many years of life or death experiences DJ had. I noted that
many indignant individuals insisted that, if they were in Jonas’s place, they, without a doubt, would have reacted exactly like DJ, unflinchingly sacrificing themselves for the common good. To them I say: Yeah, and if I was steering the Titanic, it never would have hit that iceberg.< Why ask the question if you don’t want an answer or are not prepared to believe those answers? You’re making
assumptions that we’re all instinctive cowards like Jonass. Some of the people campaigning are military. They have proven themselves under fire - which Jonass didn’t incidentally. Under pressure he did the wrong thing. > And to the poster who brought up Stargate (the movie): I don’t recall DJ diving in front of a staff blast meant for Jack and sacrificing himself. I recall Jack jumping into action and exchanging fire with the Jaffa - and I recall Daniel standing up, arms outstretched, attempting to defuse the situation and getting blasted in the process. I don’t recall any diving or any life-saving heroics on his
part. Then again, in all fairness, I wasn’t watching the director’s cut.< You don’t need the director’s cut. It’s right there in the movie. Daniel the hero whose instinct is to protect others and do the right thing, stepping into the path of danger to stop others being hurt or defuse a situation. > And to those outraged by the very notion that an unproven commodity like Jonas would be allowed to join the team - Good News! He may yet have the opportunity to prove himself, thereby redeeming himself in all of your eyes.< Because he was so gutless in Meridian you have to make him the hero to show he’s really not such a lying instinctive little coward after all. First impressions count and, boy, do they linger. Jonass stunk up Meridian. He had his chance to make a good impression. He blew it. First time out Jack,
Daniel, Sam and Teal’c all proved themselves and got the audience on their side - despite Sam’s dreadful first scene. You wanted fans to accept this unnecessary substitute for Daniel, you had your work cut out for you. Daniel is one of a kind. You guys should have aimed high.
Jonass doesn’t come near to being the man Daniel was.
Why should anyone give a rat’s ass what Jonass will do in the future? This isn’t ’three strikes and you’re out’. You guys had one shot at making those mourning Daniel like Jonass. Let’s be honest, that’s why Jonass was put in
the same episode Daniel leaves. We were supposed to be sad that Danny was going but, hey, here’s a new shiny character to like and MGM have described him as a "handsome hunk" so you’ll accept him and drool over him, even if he was prepared to let Daniel die taking the blame for the mistakes of him and his buddies. Your hormones will *make* you like him. If Jonass was the great character you and Brad Wright claim him to be, you wouldn’t have to go out there telling fans he’s such a great character. > 2.There was a certain amount of grousing over my response to a question about actor input on the show (the Summit scene). Many feel I distorted the truth. Well, a big man knows when to fess up if he’s made a mistake, so I humbly offer the following correction. The line: "Once the script leaves the writer’s hands, we have little control." should have read: "Once the script leaves the writers’ hands, we have little control.". I apologize for any inconvenience
this oversight may have caused.< That’s not the bit people had a problem with. A little honest admission of ’I screwed up’ would have won you a lot of sympathy. Your arrogant dismissal of fan concerns and complaints have alienated those who would listen to
what you have to say. You can’t accept criticism, you have to make excuses, blame others, blame time constraints, blame the actors, blame the way the episodes "fall"... > Edited 3/26/2002 1:16:03 AM ET by J_MALLOZZI 3.A resourceful fan has managed to dig up a four year old post, critical of a plot development in a comic title I read. Presumably, the point was not to lure me into a debate on the merits of The Clone Saga, but to suggest the similarities between myself, as a critical fan, and the vocal MS supporters. Granted, we are similar in that, as
fans, we didn’t agree with a creative decision. On the other hand, we are dissimilar in that I took five minutes to post my displeasure and moved on whereas others have apparently made the voicing of their displeasure a career choice.< I for one will keep complaining until it’s too late for the complaining to have any effect. Comics are written months in advance. Episodes are being written and filmed now. Complaining is complaining is complaining. Five minutes, five hours, five months. It’s speaking up for what you believe, it’s making a stand. Who are *you* to say when people should move on? Just because you’re on the other side of the fence doesn’t mean fans shouldn’t complain. It’s up to the individual as to whether they complain once, twice or a hundred times. Just because you didn’t keep complaining doesn’t mean it’s wrong. > 4.On a somewhat related note - certain fans are congratulating themselves on the wonderful job they did securing the reappearance of Daniel Jackson in an upcoming season six episode. Although I appreciate their enthusiasm, I have to point out that Brad Wright informed fans last year that he planned to bring the character back for an appearance or two. Brad Wright wrote the script and brought
the character back. He was good to his word. That said, I’m certain those same fans will soon be sending off Brad’s much-deserved thank-you cards a.s.a.p.< Brad Wright took several months to write that one episode. Michael Shanks said at SG4 con he had not been approached regarding guest appearances (as of early February). The episode appeared after fan complaints. Coincidence? Personally, I think not. And what was the episode offered that took so long, the episode meant to entice MS back, for which we unhappy fans should be so grateful for? Was it the return of Daniel to SG1, Daniel reunited with the team? No. Daniel as a hallucination/light being watching as Jack gets killed and tortured. I’ll hold back on the thank you cards to BW until Daniel is back where he belongs and not some sfx poster boy angsting over Hero Jack. What’s the next offer? Five lines and an appearance in the Christmas special ’SG1 Nativity’ as the star of Bethlehem? > 5.Finally, I’d just like to say that we will all miss Daniel Jackson. That’s nice. So will we. However, I don’t think we need to miss him. Michael Shanks has stated he would like to come back if you gave him something to do. You stated there were no plans to bring him back as a regular. The spoilers bear this out. Half the season is mapped out already. We want him back, he would come back, you guys won’t write him back. Can you see why we’re getting pissy? Since this most likely will be passed on to you, I have friends hanging on by their fingernails to hope that you’ll actually write about the characters, specifically Sam and Teal’c’s relationship. Fans want it. The actors want it. How about writing it? I promise it won’t hurt you. Cheryl (Ankh) Cheryl (Ankh) <maat@ankh.freeserve.co.uk> Nats <private> Being added to the writing staff four years after storylines and characters were already established, doesn’t give Mr. Mallozzi the authority to alter story arcs and characters the way he sees fit. Maybe if Mr. Mallozzi actually watched all the episodes, most specifically the episodes he didn’t write--something Robert Cooper suggested, he would have better understanding of all the characters and their behaviors. And, maybe if Mr. Mallozzi tried more often to write more original script ideas, versus simply copying the script of the movie he happened to be watching over the weekend (Armageddon, Groundhog Day, etc) and inputting Stargate character names in it, these script/line alterations wouldn’t be necessary. All actors are artists and perfectionists. It doesn’t surprise me in the least that MS would try everything necessary to do the best job he could in any scene because he is responsible for this character that he so obviously adores. Honestly, you would think a producer would be more encouraging about this and not act so childishly insulted that his script wasn’t the masterpiece that he saw in his own mind. The whole show is made up of “artists”, but somehow they all have to cooperate to achieve the best possible result.
EPT horus27 <jkrzyz> The number one thing Mr. Mallozzi seems to have forgotten is that Peter Parker has always been an *intellectual* hero. He began as a high school kid who was something of a social outcast because he was a brainy ’geek’. Science fascinated him. He was an achiever, and a very moral and idealistic young man, extremely loving and protective of the aunt and uncle who raised him. It was his attendance at a science event that led to his inadvertant transformation into Spider-man to begin with. And in all the years since, Peter Parker has repeatedly defeated the enemies and problems he’s faced in life with his wits. He OUTWITTED them with his brains, often during desperate situations when all of his spider-powers couldn’t help him overcome a stronger enemy. Ring a bell, Joe? Yes, that’s right...Spidey is a scientist, one who started out wearing glasses. His comics were great, because in the tradition of Marvel, they were as much about the ongoing soap of the hero’s personal life as they were about beating up bad guys. Peter Parker admired Dr. Curt Conners and regarded him as a friend, despite the man’s tragic accident that periodically changed him into the Lizard. This is called depth of storytelling. Guess what, Mr. Mallozzi...young folks in the desired demographic who were reading Spider-man had NO trouble reading and enjoying character development that had to do with other things besides chicks, guns and fists. Maybe those were the only parts of the comic that attracted *you* to the book; I dunno how you could have missed all the rest so completely, otherwise. LR Andrew B S.Savola <smsavola@hotmail.com> And yeah, it does kind of boggle the mind someone who can’t tell the difference between what Teal’c did and what Jonas did could possibly be employed to write for this show. Teal’c risked only his OWN life in the hope of saving others by taking a chance on Jack and fighting at his side to save people who were going to die right in front of him if he didn’t do something. Jonas risked the safety of every man, woman and child on his home planet stealing the equivalent of weapons grade uranium to buy his way into the SGC by taking a chance on Jack, a guy he hardly knew. What he did was the equivalent of Jack handing that heavy water over to the Eurondans on their say-so it was only going to be used for defense - really dumb and could have had fatal consequences for millions. I just find it incredible the people who are making the show can’t even tell the difference between the good guys and the bad guys any more. All these writers heroes are cowards, murderers and traitors. Have you noticed that? They like writing about system lords, Osiris, Simmons, Mayborne, and now Jonas; scumbags all. And one-dimensinal scumbags at that. Even Apophis was obviously too complex for them seeing as how they killed him. And all the genuine heroes, like Daniel or Martouf, have to die, or get written out. Jacob and Bra’tac had better watch out. Wright and Mallozzi didn’t create them and they’re brave, loyal, three-dimensional characters. They HAVE to be for the chop next. Jack they’ll just change and sideline. Sam has already been turned into their very own Mary Sue and Teal’c’s hardly there any more. Can’t have the REAL Jack, Sam and Teal’c around - they’re much too brave, loyal, intelligent and complex! Get rid of them and bring in the cartoon versions instead. See Jack fire a gun! See Sam spout technobabble! See Teal’c say "Indeed"! What you want MORE from these guys than that? Get out of here! I’m just grateful for small mercies - like the fact MGM is only charge of making a few TV shows and movies. Presumably if MGM were running the world, the Taliban leaders would be Curators of Historical Artifacts at the Metropolitan. This way at least it’s only a television show they’ve let get turned into a smoking ruin not some 5,000 year old work of art. Siobhan G <blueribbongirlus@yahoo.com> Shelly <private> Seems to me that he is trying to tell fans that the Daniel of season five is so because of the actor. However the actor said in an interview that he did not have a lot of influence on the script. So whom to believe? So in season six we will see more Sam and of Jonas.Yiepieh. That´s of course why I watch stargate. For the romance and a character with no integrity, who replaced the person that actually incorporated honesty, dedication and passion. And even made me think about my treatment of others which is a lot to say about a fictional character I see about 45 min a week. No, this is not about the handsomeness of Daniels Actor, I think he looks okay, but that´s all. How shallow do they think fans are? If it was only about his appearance we would all gladly accept the "handsome hunk" in his place, wouldn´t we? The fact that it isn´t so should clue TPTB in to that fact. Moreover Jonas is supposedly in the movie. Well too bad. Not only will I boykott season six but also the movie. Although I thought this campaign was a bit over the top for a TV character I now wholly agree with its aims and support it especially in face of the abuse its supporters have to bear in the fandom. Sorry if I am repeating some of the feelings in this section but the interview made me so helplessly angry that I had to write this. Apparently I am not important to TPTB but I think that they forget there are lots of people who agree but don´t write. There will be no overseas franchise, if ratings drop, which should be reflected in the writers salaries since they seem so eager to introduce Jonas. DS Wright and Mallozzi’s defence of someone whose first instinct is to do the wrong thing and whose second instinct is to lie about what truly took place so as to avoid the consequences of his own guilt in that matter is revealing. It reveals to me that there is now a moral bankruptcy in the ideology behind the Stargate universe that has already permeated and will continue to permeate each episode while these writers are in charge. Who people choose for their heroes reveals almost as much about them as their own actions and the minds behind Stargate have made it clear they prefer Jonas Quinn to Daniel Jackson. They prefer to argue that a coward, a thief, a liar, and a traitor is none of these things because they want to write about him, rather than to write about a truly heroic character. They prefer to write about a newcomer with nothing to recommend him rather than a team of loyal friends who, before they were written by people who clearly have no comprehension of the value of friendship or the strength of those ties, loved and would have died for one another. The writers can cover up their failure to remember that the SGC already has a DHD by changing a future story, but they cannot change a dishonest man into an honest one simply by wishing they had written him differently in the first place. Nor do I think they have had a change of heart about the Quinn character (ie originally envisaging him as a ’bad guy’); they are simply lacking the ethical equipment themselves to be able to see what is wrong with him. It is clearly a shock to them that people do not like this character; in the same way that it was a shock to them when people were appalled by O’Neill and Carter’s behaviour in fourth season, and for the same reason. They do not have a finely-honed enough integrity, moral and intellectual, themselves, to be able to see what is wrong with the actions of these characters. They clearly cannot see the moral bankruptcy of the Quinn character because their own moral compasses are too blunted. They do not have an absolute sense of right and wrong to draw upon when assessing the actions and characters of others. They cannot see that to always put the self first is not acceptable in a military situation because they would rather feel there is a moral justification for selfishness than to have to moderate behavior with which they identify. A piece of writing is the product of the writer who produces it and always reveals more than the writer knows about that writer. J.R.R. Tolkien served in the First World War; he knew about the deep bonds of love and friendship men forged in life and death situations and about the necessity of putting a common cause above selfish desires. He was also a great academic, a philologist of brilliance, and it is the benefits of that great intellect as well as that great comprehension of what guides and moves the human spirit that we see in "The Lord of the Rings". The novel is the product of Tolkien compassion, morality, decency and also his great mind and thirst for knowledge. It could only have been written by a man who had immersed himself in Anglo-Saxon and mediaeval literature; who understood the history of a race that had lost its own myths to invaders with a written instead of an oral tradition, and who had read and understood what drove the great myths of the world. Another man could have envisaged the elves of Rivendell perhaps but only a scholar such as Tolkien could have taught himself ancient Finnish so that he could draw on the richness of the Kalevala to give the elves a language of their own. In essence, Daniel Jackson could have written "The Lord of the Rings"; Jonas Quinn could not. Even if the academic roots of the novel were made available to him, Quinn would not be capable of drawing the lessons that Daniel understands instinctively about the value of loyalty and the necessity of sacrificing oneself if a cause demands it. Characters of integrity and moral and physical courage cannot be envisaged by men who not only do not possess those attributes but also actively resent them in others. Stargate lost its integrity and its intellect two years ago and neither of those are attributes that can be ’faked’. A well-read man can pretend to be less knowledgeable than he is, but a man who does not have the kind of intelligence that comes from wide reading and deep thought cannot pretend that he does. I am less convinced than others here that the show was deliberately ’dumbed down’ to reach a different audience. Reading the interviews of the current writers, I think it was an unhappy by-product of exchanging writers of academic intellect for writers who come from a background immersed only in television and comic books. It was not the audience then, that was ’dumbed down’, it was the writers. Hence the constant recycling and internal referencing of the only cultural references these newer writers understand. The bottom line is that Daniel is better read than they are and to attempt to write about him with their own limited intellectual resources risks exposing their own ignorance. However, it would be possible for these or any other writers to immerse themselves in research to be able to convincingly fake an understanding of the science Carter would understand and the mythology and languages Daniel would know so well. But what cannot be faked is a true comprehension of the difference between integrity, loyalty and courage, and dishonesty, selfishness and cowardice, by people who cannot tell the difference. Just as a man does not have to be an academic to understand the difference between right and wrong or to display intelligence, fortitude, moral rectitude and courage. Some people know these things instinctively. Others could study them intellectually for a lifetime and never grasp their truths. Put in its simplest terms, I know that men who cannot see the difference between a noble warrior like Teal’c and a coward like Jonas Quinn or between a courageous and compassionate hero like Daniel and a moral bankrupt like Jonas Quinn are men who cannot write a story that moves me or involves me: our comprehension of the value and decency of the human spirit at its best has too wide a gulf between it.
Famke Arhens <nehalennia_07@yahoo.se> >.Well, for starters, no he didn’t grab
> Daniel’s gun, blow out
> the window, jump in and sacrifice himself in Meridian Because he’s a wuss whose instinct is to duck and cover his own ass. Really useful in a tightly-knit (for five years) field unit like SG1. > but I would hardly
> call "not sacrificing yourself" a cowardly act. I would in this circumstance. The entire planet and populace was at risk but it was far easier to let the alien (Daniel) save the day. Jonass’ instinct is to save himself. Daniel’s is to save others. There’s the difference. That’s why Daniel was on SG1 and deserves to be there and why Jonass shouldn’t be allowed within 20 feet of them. >Daniel
> performed an
> incredibly courageous act, Because he’s not a craven little wuss like your "handsome hunk" Jonass. > but Jonas’s reaction was
> very human given the
> circumstances. He froze. Yes he did. Just what you need on SG1...sheesh. Can you imagine the alternative ending to Proving Ground? Radiation is pouring through the stargate and Hailey is in danger, as is Earth. What does Elliot do? He ducks behind a wall. Oh yes, I can see Elliot impressing everyone and passing the test by reacting like that... They were testing instinctive responses in PG because that’s what’s going to decide between life and death when they’re out in the field. Daniel had already proven himself way back in the movie when he took a staff weapon blast meant for Jack. Apparently the SGC can’t expect the best of the best nowadays. They have to make do with aliens who screw up under fraught circumstances then are willing to let another take the rap for their mistake. And this is the character you thought worthy of taking Daniel’s place... Pretty low opinion of Daniel you got there. > He didn’t have the benefit of
> the many years of
> experience in life or death situations that Daniel
> possessed. Which Daniel didn’t have when he saved Jack’s life in Stargate the movie. Daniel’s instinctive response is to save others. Jonass’ is to duck. Hmm, now who would I rather have watching my back? Who would I rather have watching SG1’s back? > I wonder how
> many of Jonas’s critics would have reacted differently
> if they were in his
> shoes? Well gee. I never had ambitions of joining SG1, what with it being fictional an’ all. And since I don’t have plans to join SG1 and save the world what does it matter what *I* as one of the critics of Jonass would do? The important thing is, what’s *Jonass’* first reaction under pressure? He ducks to save himself and continues to cower despite knowing what was about to happen. Secondly a traitor? He left the life he knew
> because he was
> disillusioned with his superiors, realizing he could
> do more good for his
> newfound friends AND his home world, by joining the
> SGC. Because an alien (Jack) told him so. Jack who he’d known...how long? For all Jonass knew our guys could have been like the race in The Other Side, making promises that the technology/element we gave them was being used to defend
ourselves - then turned around and wiped out a rival nation/Jonass’ planet. Just hope none of SG1 decide to believe the next set of aliens making promises of taking nuclear weapons and adding naqahdah so they can make dinky little defence shields for them and us. Oops. Might turn out to be as bad as the Goa’uld. > Sound
> familiar? Yes, technically, Jonas is a traitor, just
> like Teal’c, the
> //shol’va.//. Jonas is a traitor to an oppressive
> government in the same
> way Teal’c is a traitor to the oppressive goa’uld. LOL! Teal’c had been having doubts about his ’god’ for years and concluded that by being first prime he could do more to save people than if he gave up that position. The man has been torturing himself over the situation he’s in for decades. See, I watch the episodes. I know this stuff. Jonass believed Jack and stole something from his own people to give to his new friends that he’d known for what? A couple of days? For all Jonass knew, his Govt could have been badly shaken by what happened and given time might have changed their plans. After all, they just nearly wiped out the planet. A little thing like that makes a person think. You’re comparing Jonass’ Govt to a society ruled by a Goa’uld that enslaved ’his’ people by pretending to be a god and would kill on a whim? Teal’c was fighting someone who was believed to be a god and had the power to wipe out millions and would be replaced by others who were also thought to be gods who could kill millions on a whim. Jonass had previously trusted his Govt. Teal’c had no reason to trust Apophis. Teal’c was also risking *his own life to save others*. Jonass just put his whole planet at risk. Instinctively, Teal’c is not out to save his own ass. His instinct is to be a hero and to protect. Teal’c does not let others take the blame for something he has had a hand in. (See Cor Ai) That’s the kind of person you need on SG1. > Thirdly, Jonas is
> considered a thief (for taking some of the naquadria
> through the gate with
> him and delivering it to the SGC). Yes, he delivered
> the naquadria to the
> SGC with the understanding that whatever advancements
> resulted would be
> shared with his home nation. And thus made Earth an accessory to that theft. Trusting little blighter, isn’t he? Here, take this but you have to promise to share! > He also ensured that the
> naquadria would be
> used for a better cause the defense technology that
> may one day save Earth
> from a Goa’uld attack. ’cause, like, Jack told him so! And he and Jack are, like, so close after their one conversation, consisting as it does of Jack glaring, snarling, calling Jonass and his buddies lying cowards, and letting him know he won’t let them get away with blaming Daniel. Fourthly yes, he participated
> in the cover-up
> because, sizing up the situation, he believed that the
> success of the
> Naquadria Project and the millions of lives it could
> save outweighed the
> consequences of his actions. However, it was after
> talking to O’Neill that
> he reconsidered his actions and went to the government
> where he realized
> his mistake. And this is supposed to make him more likeable? We have a favourite character, Daniel, dying an agonising death. Jonass blames Daniel. Jonass, lying instinctive-chicken-hearted scumbag that he is, doesn’t even take the time to say sorry to Daniel. Jonass was right there in the viewing gallery of Daniel’s room, with a nice clear view of the man who had saved his planet, the man he was ready to blame. So what does he do? Gives SGC (and Jack, the man who frightened him) a present to make it all better but doesn’t take the time to apologise to the man, the hero, suffering because of Jonass and his people. > Bottom line: A coward? No. On an instinctive make-a-split-second-decision level, yes. If Elliot’s worthiness is judged on that I don’t see why Jonass should be any different. > A traitor, a thief, and a
> liar technically,
> yes but he was motivated by concern for his people and
> the belief that he
> was doing the right thing. The "right thing" included letting Daniel Jackson, dying a painful death from radiation poisoning saving Jonass’ planet, take the rap for the mistakes of Jonass and his buddies. To quote Jack: "We’re only in this mess because you and your buddies are lying cowards trying to cover your own incompetence." Jack O’Neill to Lying Coward Jonas (Meridian) And you expect fans to like this man and you’ll no doubt write it so the characters like him, too, and the actors will have to play it that way. The team I know would have nothing to do with him. I’d give him five minutes around Teal’c. I’m not sure if he’s safe with Sam or Jack, either. Compare this with Teal’c
> who slaughtered
> countless innocents while in Apophis’ service. The
> critics have no problem
> dismissing Teal’c’s past transgressions but are
> unwilling to give Jonas a
> chance even though his offenses pale in comparison.
> Sounds like a bit of
> double-standard to me. Gee. So according to you, Teal’c’s a murdering traitor so having another traitor who is a liar and a coward is all right then. Funny but I’ve never seen Teal’c lie and let someone else take the blame for something he did. Teal’c is an instinctive protector and has always accepted blame for his actions, hence episodes like Cor Ai. Teal’c would not let a dying man take the blame for something *he* was part of. Can someone explain why, if you wanted people to like Jonass, you set it up so the guy was shown as an instinctive coward ready to blacken the good name of a favourite character (a character he was only replacing because you guys couldn’t be bothered to write about said character) and was shown as having less charisma and appeal than Jar Jar Binks? You really don’t get it, do you? The scumbag was ready to blame Daniel and didn’t even say sorry as Daniel lay dying. That’s low. Cheryl
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www.twtid.org Cheryl C (Ankh) <maat@ankh.freeserve.co.uk> Rebecca Lewis <ourelle@madasafish.com> I mean "originally" he was supposed to be there on a trial bases(3-5 episodes). So, I guess "he" has been upgraded!? I wouldn’t be at all surprised if Corin Nemec, an unacquainted and supposedly ’big name’ actor, took over as the sole lead of Stargate SG-1 in Season 6! (SEASON SIX: ’Atlantis’ Premiere) The dismissing and disrespect by TPTB for all these amazing, original SG-1 main characters’ talents is outrageous! The dismissing and disrespect of the fans of the show is also outrageous! I mean come on! This show has always been unappreciated and unaccepted in the U.S. by the press and Hollywood. Showtime even cancelled it! And now it is moving to the Sci-Fi Channel--"the channel where shows go to die". I wish TPTB would stop believing they can find better fans! Tom Mahoney
I have read similar conparisons to Jonas’s situation and to that of Teal’c when the Jaffa first joined the SG1 team back in CoTG. No offense to Joe M., but to me there is no comparison between the two characters and as a matter of respect to Jonas Quinn and Teal’c as an individual creations, there should NEVER be one! Yes, Teal’c was first prime of Apophis, but in his heart he had longed for freedom and a means to help his people escape the Goa’uld rule. His response to O’Neill when Jack declares the he can help these people *Many have said that, but you are first I believe can do it*(or something like that) clearly shows us that he was only waiting for the right time and the right ally. Teal’c kills other Jaffa in that instance because he hasn’t time to explain to them the thing he is setting in motion that will bring freedom to their people. A harsh decision yes, but not one made for selfish reasons and he stood ready
to have Apophis come back and kill him..at no time was Teal’c not ready to pay the price and take the full responsibility for his actions. He expected no man
or other being to bear his burden in this act or hide behind them. It was alway’s Teal’c honest choice. Teal’c may have been *traitorous* to a false god and a belief system he abhorred, but he was never a traitor to his own dignity or goals to win freedom for himself and all Jaffa. In that one momement in CoTGs the strength of
Teal’c’s ongoing character was forged. We saw a man who was willing to sacrifice everything he had and to risk the lives of his wife and child to follow his dream of toppling a false god and bringing freedom others. In the episodes that have followed, we have only learned more about how Teal’c came to have those long held doubts about his gods and how long he has held those desires for freedom. All of this was culminated in Brad Wright’s amazing script *Threshold*. I would hope that Jonas Quinn would get his own storyline and his own unique way of forging the strength of his character and not a pale imitation of or forcefed comparison to Teal’c’s. I know I admire the character of Teal’c and how how he has been written and how he has been brought to life by the incredible talent of Christopher Judge. And to have writer’s of the show tear down what is so honorable and unique in the character of Teal’c to justify asking viewers to like Jonas Quinn only serves to make the new guy even less appealing than he already is:( I feel really sorry for Corin Nemec having to come into that and I feel even sorrier for Teal’c and CJ that this noble warrior has to be debasedly described as a traitor by those that had offered him to us as wonderful character to watch unfolding. I have news for TPTB..insulting Teal’c IS NOT going to make me want to watch Jonas Quinn. GateAngel Why is it so difficult to accept criticism? Lots of fans were telling you two years ago what was wrong but you simply ignored them. Two years ago people told you there needed to be more team episodes, more with the team on other planets, more of the friendships and more caring. You didn’t listen. Michael Shanks told you Daniel wasn’t written as a part of the team so your answer was to make him deadweight, just there to be part of the scenery with Teal’c with nothing to do. All you had to do was write something for Daniel that had Daniel being Daniel and who and what he was, not have him as an undercover assassin in two episodes or have him in the background or being shot with a zat gun by Tyler and being shot with an intarr by the cadets for comedy. You gave him very little to do. No wonder Michael Shanks wasn’t happy. He tried to get you to listen and to understand but you wouldn’t because you just can’t face being told you’re wrong or making a mistake. Admit it. You didn’t want to write about Daniel because you wanted him gone. You wanted to write about "new" characters because you were bored with playing with someone else’s toy and wanted your own. You wanted to get rid of Daniel fans because it seems like the people who are not afraid to tell you what they think are Daniel fans. The Sam and Jack fans were happy because they had a "power that be" on their list making them promises of romance. There aren’t many people whose favourite character is Teal’c, even though fans love him and speak up for him and his actor, so they weren’t a problem. The Daniel fans have been ignored right from the start. You ignored Daniel in season one to build up Sam and to make Jack the hero because Richard Dean Anderson is the star, even though Daniel was the mainh character in the film. Brad Wright never wrote for Daniel. The people who wrote for Daniel are all gone, except for Peter de Luise and he’s busy directing and being a creative consultant. Richard Dean Anderson used to look out for the actors but he’s busy with his family and saving rivers and he let the situation happen, probably because he trusted Brad Wright and Robert Cooper to handle things. With the way things have gone you should have left Daniel happy on Abydos. You never listened to his fans and you didn’t listen to his actor. At least be honest enough to admit it. Dawn Bristow <dawnbristow@hotmail.com> "A lot of criticism has been leveled against the character and, although many of the fans doing the criticizing claim they’re reacting to "the character", I think a lot of it stems from resentment over Daniel’s departure. They argue Jonas is a) a coward, b) a traitor, c) a thief, and d) a liar. Well, for starters, no he didn’t grab Daniel’s gun, blow out the window, jump in and sacrifice himself in Meridian but I would hardly call "not sacrificing yourself" a cowardly act. Daniel performed an incredibly courageous act, but Jonas’s reaction was very human given the
circumstances. He froze. He didn’t have the benefit of
the many years of experience in life or death situations that Daniel possessed. I wonder how many of Jonas’s critics would have reacted differently if they were in his
shoes?" Joe Mallozzi. I dunno about that Joe, but I do know how one Dr. Daniel Jackson, untrained linguist, reacted in a life or death situation. I know because I’ve seen Stargate The Movie. I’m presuming you haven’t or you wouldn’t have made such a stupid comparison. Unfortunately, I don’t know anyone who hasn’t seen Stargate The Movie - except for you obviously - so we all know just how stupid this comparison is. I suggest you go rent the Director’s Special Edition DVD and check out the scene in Ra’s throneroom where Colonel Jack attacks the Jaffa single-handed. His position is exposed, a Jaffa has him in his sights... Daniel, with the benefit of having NO years of experience in life or death situations leaps in front of Jack and is killed by the staff blast meant for him. It’s this selfless act, this incredibly courageous act which shocks Jack back to life. If Jonas had been there I guess the Stargate franchise would have been over very quickly, hmm? What with Colonel Jack lying there dead on the floor and all. We’ve heard from a serviceman or two about how they react to cowards. I doubt Jack’s men would have been any kinder. I have to second Mr. Robert C. Cooper here. If you watched episodes - or movies - you haven’t written, you might know what was going on before you publicly embarrassed yourself, Stargate Productions and MGM and pissed off more of us. There is nothing wrong with our short term or long term memory. I’m not even sorry we can’t forget what Stargate was, how much potential you all have pissed down the wind for your second-rate third-hand SamGate. Buy a clue. Before it’s too late. The clock is ticking... november <november@btopenworld.com> 1. How important will the role of Jonas be, and will the character also have an importantplace in any future Stargate movie? Yes, Jonas will play a very important role in the show
and the movie. Just how important remains to be seen. That would be the important spot they wrote that annoying four eyed linguist geek right out of, would it? november <november@btopenworld.com> Woo. Some franchise. november <november@btopenworld.com> Katherine Mishel <Mishel_Mullan@Hotmail.Com> ketelby <ketelby@catlover.com>
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